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Tongue Weight–A Cautionary Tale

Our T@G is very lightweight and we pull it with mid-sized SUV, so we did not anticipate any towing issues. Our solution for hauling bikes created an issue related to tongue weight. Our earlier post, Bikes and Teardrop Camping–Our Solution, has been modified to include this new information. While what we originally had did not work, changing to a different receiver has been confirmed by E-Trailer to do the job!

We have hauled bikes with our teardrop by using a dual receiver. It enabled us to put a bike rack on the back of our SUV. However, we did not fully understand the impact on the tongue weight of our vehicle.

Our Initial Understanding

When we ordered the bike rack, a customer service rep at E-Trailer explained that our dual hitch was splitting the towing capacity of the dual hitch into two amounts, each component one half of the capacity of the hitch.

Our dual hitch has a capacity of 400 lbs, so each component would have a capacity of 200 lbs. Our trailer’s tongue weight is 160 lbs with LP and battery (less than 200 lbs) and our bike rack plus bikes weighed 100 lbs (again less than 200 lbs).

We also considered the capacity of our towing vehicle, which is 350 lbs. One half of 350 is 175 lbs and as this is under the weight of our trailer for one component and the bikes for the other, we thought we were okay.

What we did not initially understand is that by using a dual hitch, the overall capacity of our towing vehicle was reduced. My husband ordered the hitch on-line and was not aware of the impact of the hitch on tongue weight. This left our towing vehicle with a capacity of 175 lbs and the tongue weight of our towing was 240 lbs.

Fortunately, we received feedback from members of camping groups on Facebook who are more knowledgeable than we and they alerted us to this problem. However, because of the multiple things to consider, we were quite confused.

Dual Hitch Considerations

As I understand it now, if using a dual hitch, you have to compare the tongue weight of what you are hauling against two separate limitations.

1) The tongue weight capacity of the tow vehicle, reduced by 50% because the dual hitch is used. In our case, this was 175 lbs. Our total tongue weight was 240 lbs, and we had a real problem here.

2) The tongue weight of the dual hitch. Our hitch has a tongue weight capacity of 400 lbs, with 200 lbs for each half. At 160 for the trailer and 100 for the bikes, we did not have an issue with the hitch.

Because our SUV has a lower tongue weight capacity, it is the capacity that must be used when determining our hauling weight.

Our Results

We hauled our bikes on two camping trips that were relatively close to home. The car handled well and there did not appear to be problems with the towing. However, we had difficulty getting the leveling wheel off and on. Also, the back tires on our SUV developed cupping. We had to replace our tires on the back sooner than we needed to replace the front tires. We do not know that the excess tongue weight caused the tire issue. However, we think it is the likely reason.

Now the good news! I was communicating earlier with James Phipps, who is in a couple of teardrop groups on Facebook. James and I communicated quite extensively about his concerns and he posed a question to E-Trailer to confirm his theory. They confirmed that he was correct regarding the tongue weight issue but also offered two solutions that should be viable. The response E-Trailer sent to James is below.

We could haul our bikes in much the same manner as we have in the past without exceeding tongue weight capacity. We should just use a multipurpose ball mount instead of the dual hitch extender.

I would never have guessed that such a simple change could make such a difference. If we were to use option 1 below, we would have a tongue weight of approximately 260 lbs and a capacity of our original 350 lbs. It would be well within our capacity. Thank you James for this information!

Bikes and Teardrop Camping–Our Solution

We implemented this process for towing our bikes with our camper, but have since learned that we were exceeding the tongue weight limits of our tow vehicle because of the dual hitch. This could work for those whose tow vehicle has a high tongue weight capacity, but does not work for us. See my follow-up post, Tongue Weight–A Cautionary Tale. A change to a different receiver will eliminate the tongue weight issue.

Soon after we began camping, we saw how nice it would be to have bikes with us on our trips. We camp with friends who have much larger equipment and they routinely carry bikes, but it seemed a stretch for us. We rented bikes on a couple of occasions. I accepted that option, but my husband searched for a solution.

He considered mounting them on the back of the camper, but we read that it is not a good idea to put a bike on the back. We never saw any great options for an installation on top. He had an idea of a dual receiver and was considering having a machinist make one but found a dual hitch on-line. Below is the hitch that we used. We have since learned that it reduces the overall tongue weight capacity of our vehicle by 50% and another hitch should be used. See E-Trailer response below.

Our receiver caused a tongue weight issue, but according to E-Trailer, a change to a different receiver will enable us to carry our bikes. We would choose Option 1.

Consider tongue weight limitations before implementing any additional towing options. See my post Tongue Weight–A Cautionary Tale for additional information.

Bike Rack

Next, we needed a bike rack that would work with both the camper and the hitch. We discussed it in depth with a Customer Service Rep at E-Trailer and she helped us select a rack to carry our two bikes.

We purchased a Thule Vertex 2, 1 1/4-2 model bike rack. Our bikes weigh about 30 pounds and the rack weighs 70 pounds. The rack does a good job of carrying our bikes, but it does add extra steps in our hitching and unhitching process.

Rack for bikes — Bike Rack in Open Position

When we first set it up, the bikes moved around too much, which made me quite nervous. However, they secure very well with two short bungee cords (purchased separately) and the adjustable strap that came with the bike rack.

We had to add extenders to our safety chains because the dual hitch is longer than the standard. The chain extenders and 3/8″ threaded connectors were purchased at Lowes. We only use the dual hitch and extended chains if we are hauling our bikes.

Our Steps to Tow Bikes With Teardrop

Insert hitch into tow vehicle receiver using locking pins (one to tow vehicle and other to bike rack).
Attach camper to bottom receiver using appropriate-sized ball (not included with receiver).
Bike rack should be attached to the top of receiver and locking pin inserted (not included with receiver).
Attach largest bike to rack first and stabilize front and back wheel using a short bungee cord.
Attach second bike to bike rack and stabilize front and back wheel using second short bungee cord. You may have to move the pedals a bit so they can fit snugly.
Wrap adjustable strap around both bikes and tighten the straps snugly while pulling bike frames toward the tow vehicle.
Hitching or unhitching with the bike rack adds approximately ten minutes to the process.

You then reverse the process to unhitch. We have taken our bikes on a couple camping trips and was not aware of issues with this method of transport. We later learned about our tongue weight issue, but a change to a different receiver should solve the problem.

There are, no doubt, other ways to haul bikes with teardrops, but this has worked very well for us. We hope it helps others who are interested in taking their bikes on camping trips.

UPDATE November 2022: We are now camping in a 25’ Lance travel trailer and are hauling heavy ebikes. This post describes our current solution Hauling Bikes Camping With Lance 2075.

Happy Camping!

Camping in Northern Georgia

Fun times with wonderful friends Memorial Day weekend at James H. (Sloppy) Floyd State Park in Summerville, Georgia.

Camping in Georgia

This was not our first time camping in Georgia. As we live in neighboring Alabama, it is easy to made the trip to a Georgia campground. Even so, it was a great weekend! We had site #4, which had plenty of shade and was near the bathhouse. The park was well-maintained and the bathhouse was kept very clean. The hosts for the park have been there for eleven years and seem to work very hard to keep it clean and attractive. They have many repeat guests.

Rain was expected off and on for most of our time at the campground, so we utilized only our privacy tent for changing clothes. We set-up quickly and were ready to go, which was nice.

Relaxing and camping in Georgia — Big Guy relaxing

The first night, we grilled steaks with our friends and turned in rather early. The temperature was cool in the evening and we slept very well with only our fan and the windows open.

Camping and Hiking in Georgia

On Saturday, we took a ranger-led tour to the Marble Mine, one of the park’s main attractions. It had gotten warm by that time and the heat plus the steep incline to get to the mine made it quite challenging. We saw a very large rat snake along the way that remained very still for about ten minutes. We estimate that he would be about six feet long if stretched out. Needless to say, we were very careful where we stepped after seeing him! He is not venomous, but still scary to me.

The hike was steep at the end, but we made it to the top. The waterfall with its crystal-clear water was worth the effort. It was quite beautiful and the water ice-cold. We were so hot by then, we would have liked to wade in it.

Hiking while camping in Georgia — We made it!

Games and Rain

The afternoon was spent playing Mexican Train Dominos and then dinner at The Crushed Tomato in Summerville, which features pizza, calzones, and several flavors of ice cream for dessert. We highly recommend this place! Our pizzas were excellent with perhaps the best crust I have had in the U.S. Also, it was quite inexpensive.

Saturday night brought torrential rains in the middle of the night. We had our fan vent opened widely and it rained in some on the middle of our bed. I have left it partially open before in the rain without it coming in, but it did not work in this case. We woke to a slightly damp middle of the bed and a very wet campsite, so the Rainy Day Plan was evoked for breakfast. When we returned, the sun was shining and our campsite was beginning to dry out.

Paradise Garden

In the afternoon, we visited a local attraction, Paradise Garden. It is a collection of folk art by Howard Finster, who has been called the Andy Warhol of the South. Mr. Finster passed away in 2001, but has achieved quite a bit of acclaim for his work. His art is displayed at the Smithsonian. He also designed album covers for groups such as R.E.M. We were very surprised by the number of people visiting the gardens. As you can see below, his art is very eclectic.

We rounded out the day with games of Rook and Mexican Train Dominoes. We grilled hamburgers for dinner at the campground. This was our last night, so we took down most of our gear before going to bed because my Big Guy likes to leave early going home. This is a long-standing habit of his. Not my favorite, but he does a lot to make me happy.

A few lessons learned:

Rain will come in the fan vent if open and it rains hard enough. A small opening works fine though.
Peggy should always come because I get to play lots of games when she is around. 😃
Put chairs in the car if it might rain. I knew this, but did not take the time.
A minimal campsite can be great if you are in the shade. We don’t really need a tent if it is just the two of us.

This camping trip in Georgia was awesome. We are looking forward to our next trip to Arkansas and Lake Catherine in Hot Springs! Check out our States Visited, a Campsite Resource to see where else we have traveled.

Hello world!

My husband and I are newly retired. We have never really been campers, but have purchased a T@G MAX XL camper as an economical way to travel and see this beautiful country. My husband is 6’3″ and the camper is a teardrop, hence the name of my blog. We hope you will follow our adventures!

I have have worked full-time for the last thirty-six years and was quite concerned about how I would fill my time in retirement. I do not have it all figured out, but teardrop camping is a pretty big piece of the puzzle. Camping in a teardrop allows us to travel just about as often as we wish, the blog is a technology challenge, and the writing is a bit of a creative outlet.

Also, everything you need to know for this kind of travel has a learning curve. We hope to share what we learn to help other new campers and to provide useful information about the places we visit.

Most posts will be about camping as it will be our most frequent mode of travel, but there will also be road trips and posts about retirement in general.

We hope you will follow along in our adventures!